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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Jun 17, 2010 11:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The Grateful Dead "Women"

Off the Tip Of Me Head -

Sugaree - Ah, Shake it, Shake it, Sugaree
Bille Jean - Mexicali Blues
"Wicked" Felina - El Paso
Bertha - Bertha
Sweet Suzie - Loser
Althea - Althea
Momma, Mama - Brokedown Palace, RR Blues, Mama Tried, etc...
Delilah - Samson & Delilah, Stagger Lee
Gloria - Gloria
Sunshine - Here Comes Sunshine, just a child, ya hear...
Jack-A-Roe - Jack-A Roe
Rosie-Rosie Mcfall
Shannon- Jack Straw
Katie Mae - Katie Mae
Lucy- Loose Lucy
Bottichelli's Niece (or a Pretty Little Girl Named Reese) - Masterpiece
Peggy - Pretty Peggy O
Jane - Queen Jane Approximitly
Rose - Ramble on Rose
Mary - They Love Each Other
Cherise - Reuben and Cherise
Viola Lee - Viola Lee Blues
Valerie - Valerie (Run for the Roses)
"Rider" - The Infamous Rider of I Know You Rider. Ah what must she be like???
"Sugar Magnolia" - Just a nickname I am guessing here
Stella Blue - Sorry, but that's a guitar
"Lazy Lightning" - Another nickname...
Bobby Mcgee - A classic

There are also Brown Eyed, Deep Elem, and Minglewood Women to watch out for, very sneaky, likely smoking your beer and drinking your weed right now... They sure did like their Womenz...






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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Jun 18, 2010 3:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead 'Women'

OK - something old and something new...relatively speaking:

60's GD: "Sheherazade gathering stories to tell"
80's GD: "Mamma may bathe in champagne yet!"


(I know, we're scraping the bottom of the barrel at this point).

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 18, 2010 3:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead 'Women'

if we're in the 80's, then how about "that
reincarnation of the ravenous Catherine the Great." (and the horse she rode in on/on in)

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Poster: rippley Date: Jun 18, 2010 3:48pm
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I don't believe anyone has mentioned all the women who are smarter

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 18, 2010 4:18pm
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Or all the women who had to Take a Step Back.

(Now that really must be the bottom of the barrel ...)

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 21, 2010 2:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead 'Women'

No, scraping the bottom of the barrel would be bringing up the one time they covered "Cathy's Clown" in 1969. Or the "blonde haired woman" in Sittin on top of the World. Even lower, all the "pretty little thangs" in the audience who Pigpen encouraged young men to sexually assault during Lovelight.

I think we missed Rosalee McFall.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 21, 2010 2:28am
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oh, and I think there is a Mary in "Green Green Grass."

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 21, 2010 2:31am
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And if we're including Dylan, there are a ton of women in Visions of Johanna.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 18, 2010 4:42am
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Either Shannon's a guy or a lesbian if she's sharing the women.

Bertha was a Desk Fan in the office.

Also, I may be wrong, but I never heard that Sunshine from Here Comes Sunshine, was a woman, although i remember hearing years ago that Sunshine and Daydream were the names of children

Then there's

Pearly Baker and Bonnie Lee: Wharf Rat
Irene: Goodnight Irene
My Grandma: Aiko
Gypsy Woman: Caution
Annie: Must've Been The Roses
Baby Blue : It's All Over Now, Baby Blue
Queen Chinee: China Cat
Alice D Millionaire: Alice D Millionaire
Corinna: Corinna
Clementine: Clementine
Rosemary: Rosemary
Rider: Easy Wind (While my Rider hide My Bottle in the other Room)
Sweet Ann Marie: FOTD
Woodcutter's Daughter: Let It Grow
Lady Lullabye: Crazy Fingers
Lady With The Fan: Terrapin
Lulu: All around this world
Little Susie: Wake Up Little Susie

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Poster: high flow Date: Jun 18, 2010 3:53pm
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Jade Merchant's daughter - MOTM

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 18, 2010 7:18am
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>Either Shannon's a guy or a lesbian if she's sharing the women.>

Gee, don't you know how the lyrics are actually written?

We Can Share the Womyn, We Can Share the Whine.

:-)

(I do consider myself a feminist, btw. But I'm not very good at being p.c.)

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 18, 2010 11:06am
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(I do consider myself a feminist, btw. But I'm not very good at being p.c.)

I definitely consider myself that way to, however I do love a good joke, and no subject is off limits in the right company.

I read once that there's one kind of person who tell jokes.

1) The Bigot: mostly tells racist or ethnic jokes.
2) The Pervert:

Sorry, 2 kinds

1) The Bigot
2) The Pervert: mostly tells dirty, sexual jokes
3) The Sexist:

Sorry, 3 kinds:

1) The Bigot
2) The Pervert:
3) The Sexist: mostly tells sexist jokes
4) The Joker:

Sorry, 4 kinds:

1) The Bigot
2) The Pervert:
3) The Sexist:
4) The Joker: Will tell any joke if he thinks it's funny.

I fall into the last category. If I can make people laugh, I'll tell it. I don't know if that makes me a) funny, b) disgusting, c) an a**hole d) insulting and inappropriate or e) just a sad guy who makes pathetic attempts to gain attention and approval (my guess is that if you asked my ex, she'd choose "d" and "e"), but that's how I roll.

(Apologies to Michael Palin for stealing his "Sorry" bit)

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 18, 2010 2:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead 'Women'

I think Deadheads generally have a sense of humor. What else could have prompted so many shouts of "Let Phil sing"?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 18, 2010 2:42pm
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Best line in a long while!

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Poster: high flow Date: Jun 18, 2010 3:15pm
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Hey BD - Chris Berman mentioned your buddy Casey Boyns during the US Open Broadcast.

I thought of you.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 18, 2010 3:30pm
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Cool. Thanks. Was just in a meeting a few minutes ago with his wife.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 18, 2010 8:46am
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LOL .....

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 18, 2010 10:48am
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Oh, and the one who comes from a town where they call her the woodcutter's daughter (Let it Grow).

And, um, the various wives in Friend of the Devil ... I wouldn't trust the one in Chino. Must wear her pants too tight.

Actually, there are three women in that song, if you count "babe."


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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 18, 2010 7:00pm
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We're kind of stretching it now :) I mean, there's "Babe" in "Babe it ain't no lie," are we going to count her?

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 18, 2010 8:37pm
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Well, that's an Elizabeth Cotton song, so "babe" would have originally been a he. But not in Jerry's take on it, presumably. However, there's an old lady tellin' lies ...

Then there's baby who wants a diamond ring in Dupree's.

And baby, baby pretty young on Tuesday in Doin' That Rag.

And the baby in Loser ... Hmmm, all the babes and babies could add up.

What about all the pretty women in Candyman? Do they get to count?

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Poster: roughyed Date: Jun 18, 2010 12:37am
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Women don't seem to get such a good press in Brent's songs!
(Isn't Shannon in Jack Straw a man who might be the recipient of the next bullet?)

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Poster: craven714 Date: Jun 18, 2010 6:27am
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indeed: never trust a woman who wears her pants too tight...

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Poster: bbbrew Date: Jun 18, 2010 9:24am
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A philisophical metacarpal

Lady Finger

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Poster: Reade Date: Jun 18, 2010 8:29am
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(Little) Sadie.

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jun 18, 2010 12:36am
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Well, there is also "Annie Bonneau from San Angel". (Black Peter)
She also says the weather down there is so fine...

How's about "The Jade Merchants Daughter"? (Mountains Of The Moon.)
"Hey, O Laurel! It's time to matter!"

I don't recall any "Viola" in "Viola Lee Blues" I don't think... Could be the name of the convict's mother, wife, or sister pleading with the judge...And hey hey! What about:

"See that girl barefootin' along,
Whistlin' and singing
She's a-carrying-on
She's got laughing in her eyes,
Dancing in her feet,
She's a neon bright diamond,
She can live on the street!"

Hey hey!

"She's got everything she needs,
She's an artist.
She don't look back
She can take the dark out of the night time
"And paint the day time black"

or

"And these visions of Johanna,
They conquer my mind"

And also the ever popular:

"I married me a wife.
She's been trouble all my life.
Run me out in the cold rain and snow..

Rain and snow..
Run me out in the cold rain and snow.

Well I went up to her room
and I sang a fateful tune.
I'm going where those chilly winds don't blow.
I'm going where those chilly winds don't blow.

"She's coming down the stairs
Combing back her yellow hair..
"And I ain't gonna be treated this-a-way

"Ain't gonna be treated this way.
I ain't gonna be treated this way"


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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Jun 18, 2010 12:35am
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Yea, the Viola Lee Is Suspect, I admit..

Also, The "Spanish Lady" And her Rose - The Other One

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 18, 2010 7:03am
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I assumed that Viola was who he mailing a letter to - she's the friend he's got somewhere.

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jun 18, 2010 12:56am
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"What in the world ever became of Sweet Jane?
She lost her sparkle you know,
She isn't the same...
Living on reds, vitamin C and cocaine;
All her friends can say is "ain't it a shame!"

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 18, 2010 11:42am
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"Bottichelli's Niece (or a Pretty Little Girl Named Reese) - Masterpiece"

I'm pretty sure it's "a pretty little girl from Greece!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 18, 2010 11:45am
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Not to be confused with Walt Whitman's niece....

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Jun 18, 2010 2:10pm
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Haven't listed to Mermaid Ave. in over year, but am rolling it now thanks to your cue!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 18, 2010 2:15pm
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HEY NOW! Glad someone caught the reference; was expecting JOTS to chime in.

...Ingrid Bergmann...

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Jun 18, 2010 2:34pm
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I'm not a hardcore 'alt-country' guy, but I LOVE that album! Friend that introduced me to Wilco tried to also get me into Son Volt and Uncle Tupelo, but those never grabbed me. I do enjoy Wilco though....

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Poster: vapors Date: Jun 18, 2010 6:24pm
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I met her accidentally in St. Paul Minnesota...

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Poster: craven714 Date: Jun 18, 2010 6:59am
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Bird Song

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Poster: Longnstrange Date: Jun 18, 2010 3:14pm
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Did a woman named 'Rose' kill Annie and take her place in "must have been the roses"?

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 18, 2010 6:48am
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And, of course, she who wears Scarlet Begonias and is not like other girls.

And she who makes a guy think of a street cat (LLR).



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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 18, 2010 8:38am
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Who's the Lady with a Fan?

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 18, 2010 11:10am
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I know 99% of you know this, and maybe I'm just flappin my gums but:

On the studio album, "Lady With A Fan" is the title of the opening part of Terrapin Station. She's the girl who appears in the door in the fire and then throws her fan into the Lion's den.

The second side of the album consisted of 7 movements (am I using that word in the correct context?).

These were:
"Lady With a Fan" (Jerry Garcia, Robert Hunter)
"Terrapin Station" (Garcia, Hunter)
"Terrapin" (Garcia, Hunter)
"Terrapin Transit" (Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann)
"At a Siding" (Hart, Hunter)
"Terrapin Flyer" (Hart, Kreutzmann)
"Refrain" (Garcia, Hunter)

Lumped together they are commonly reffered to as "Terrapin Station"

On the album, there's no real indication of where one part starts and the other ends, although in listening you can determine some of them. In concert they played "Lady With A Fan"," Terrapin Station" and I think "Terrapin" and" Terrapin Transit". This is what we know as "Terrapin Station". On 3/18/77, the third time they performed it, they also played "at A Siding" and "Terrapin Flyer" which has been mislabeled as "Al Hambra"

http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-03-18.sbd.unknown.254.sbeok.shnf

This is the only time the Grateful Dead performed those last 2 movements. After Jerry's death Bobby played the entire suite on occasion with RatDog.

Another song with multiple titles was "That's It For the Other One":

That's It for the Other One" – 7:40
I. "Cryptical Envelopment" (Garcia)
II. "Quadlibet for Tenderfeet" (Garcia, Kreutzmann, Lesh, McKernan, Weir)
III. "The Faster We Go, The Rounder We Get" (Kreutzmann, Weir)
IV. "We Leave the Castle" (Constanten)

Again, there was no clear marking on the vinyl of a start or end to each section, but again, you can hear some of it. In concert, for most of their career, the band played (I think) sections II & III. in 1972 they switched to just playing, either (I think) "Quadlibet for Tenderfeet", "The Faster We Go, The Rounder We Get" (or it might be both), which was entitled "The Other One" on their Live self titled album sometimes referred to "as Skull And Roses" or "Skull Fuck" (which, as one story goes, is what the band wanted to call it, but it was vetoed by WB). From '67 to '71 they played the whole composition which was mislabeled (or relabeled I guess, seeing as that's the title used in DIck's Picks when it shows up) in shows as Cryptical Envelopment > The Other One > Cryptical Envelopment. This briefly re-appeared in '85.

As I understand it, (I seem to remember quote from Bobby that said this) the reason they gave this song so many titles was because, back then, their contract stated that they were to be paid by song, not by the completed work.

I never knew what quadlibet meant so here is a definition. Wikipedia says "A quodlibet is a piece of music combining several different melodies, usually popular tunes, in counterpoint and often a light-hearted, humorous manner. The term is Latin, meaning "whatever" or literally, "what pleases."" While it is misspelled on the title, I assume this was what they meant.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 21, 2010 2:18am
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I always wondered why on Hundred Year Hall they listed The Other One as Cryptical Envelopment. It did come out right after Jerry died, perhaps they wanted to give him extra songwriting credits on the release so his estate made more money. Or it was some kind of homage or something. Either way, I always found it odd.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Jun 18, 2010 1:07am
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There he goes and now here she starts

Speaks his name though you were born to me, Cassidy

we got a baby girl!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 18, 2010 3:12am
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Melinda - Cumberland Blues

I also thought Shannon in Jack Straw was a man.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 18, 2010 3:13am
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And there's Delilah Jones in BEW

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Poster: bbbrew Date: Jun 18, 2010 9:18am
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Raised eight boys and only ONE turned bad? SuperWoman!

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: Jun 18, 2010 3:17pm
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Jack-A-Roe is a man. The woman in the song impersonated him. Her name is not mentioned

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: Jun 18, 2010 3:17pm
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Jack-A-Roe is a man. The woman in the song impersonated him. Her name is not mentioned

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 20, 2010 12:14am
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I thought she was a tranny. Either way, should she count?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jun 18, 2010 4:30am
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Delilah is not the name of the woman in Stagger Lee. Her name is Delia. I think her last name is Delilah or Delion, the same as her dead husband Billy.

Shannon definitely a dude. Jack Straw from Wichita cut his buddy down....

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 18, 2010 7:01am
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The old and in the way are not overlooked either - there's a toothless crone in New Potato Caboose.

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Jun 18, 2010 8:52am
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Wow - Perhaps I am overly smitten with this Shannon character. Think I might need a long cold shower!!! Excellent responses...

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jun 18, 2010 6:58pm
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Julie in Row Jimmy.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 18, 2010 7:22pm
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Can't believe we missed her.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 18, 2010 7:27pm
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Is it possible we missed ramblin' Rose?

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Poster: davebigdaddy Date: Jun 19, 2010 5:19am
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Did I see Calliope woman mentioned?